ffutures: (marcus 2013)
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Prompted by this post by [livejournal.com profile] gonzo21

The huge fuss about HS2 ignores something important. Realistically, what's needed isn't a high-speed railway but a high-capacity railway. Lots of normal trains with enough room for everyone to sit down would be much more useful than a small number of really fast ones, and could be packed closer together because they would be able to stop a lot faster. I really can't think of any politician who has mentioned this.

Date: 2013-09-11 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicarage.livejournal.com
Transport Secretary Mr McLoughlin told the Sunday Times: "I think possibly the selling of the project was done wrong.

"The speed makes a difference to Manchester and Leeds, where you get an hour off the journey, but 20 minutes off the journey to Birmingham is almost irrelevant.

"It is nice but it is not important. It should always have been about capacity."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24009212

Date: 2013-09-12 09:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
The problem with high capacity trains is that you need high capacity platforms -- to get passengers on and off them -- at every station stop. And you lose flexibility: a single 1000-seat train every hour is probably less useful than a 500-seat train every half hour.

High speed running means you can in principle put more capacity on the line. In practice, braking distance increases non-linearly so you need to leave bigger gaps. Also, power consumption goes up non-linearly.

The real answer is actually more railway lines -- not just one HS2 line, but 2-3 regular speed lines. But listen to the NIMBY chorus if you propose to build new railways! (As they take up about as much land area as a motorway when you allow for trackside clearances ...)

Date: 2013-09-12 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
Isn't another problem with high speed rail that the UK isn't really that big, so there aren't many long stretches of track without any stops in which a high speed train could really get up to top speed anyway?

It seems increasingly like a vanity project to me. Either that or the contractors have dropped a massive wadge of cash into the back pockets of a few key ministers.

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