Odd Torchwood Thought
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ffuturesTorchwood was set up by Queen Victoria in the 19th century, with headquarters in major cities in England, Scotland, and Wales (London was Torchwood 1, Glasgow 2, Cardiff 3), and important places in the Empire - Delhi was the only one mentioned by name, with no number.
But Ireland was also part of Britain then, and parts of it still are. Surely there should have been a base somewhere there, in Dublin, say, or Belfast. I don't know enough about 19th century Ireland to say where the most strategic site would be. I'm guessing it would be Torchwood 4. Presumably it would be moved to the North (if not already there) after Irish independence, since I can't see anyone in the know about Torchwood wanting to give a "rebel government" easy access to alien tech. But it was never mentioned in the show at all. It seems very odd, and leaves me wondering if it was somehow retconned out of their institutional awareness.
For that matter, does Ireland even exist in the Who-verse? I can't remember it ever being a setting for any of the shows.
Any thoughts?
But Ireland was also part of Britain then, and parts of it still are. Surely there should have been a base somewhere there, in Dublin, say, or Belfast. I don't know enough about 19th century Ireland to say where the most strategic site would be. I'm guessing it would be Torchwood 4. Presumably it would be moved to the North (if not already there) after Irish independence, since I can't see anyone in the know about Torchwood wanting to give a "rebel government" easy access to alien tech. But it was never mentioned in the show at all. It seems very odd, and leaves me wondering if it was somehow retconned out of their institutional awareness.
For that matter, does Ireland even exist in the Who-verse? I can't remember it ever being a setting for any of the shows.
Any thoughts?
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Date: 2024-10-14 02:15 pm (UTC)There was also a Torchwood Five. From What I could find:
"An Indian branch of Torchwood introduced in the radio play "Golden Age". Torchwood India was founded by Queen Victoria to find alien technology in the British Raj. It was led by Eleanor, Duchess of Melrose, who maintained the branch's cover as a gentlemen's club named the Royal Connaught Club. It was closed down by Captain Jack in 1924, when Torchwood realised the Raj was coming to an end, and all their alien equipment was taken to Britain. In 2009 Jack and Torchwood Three trace an alien energy field to the site of Torchwood India, and discover Eleanor and the other Torchwood India agents are using a time store to prevent time passing in the Royal Connaught Club. The store is powered by taking people's potential futures, killing them. Torchwood Three prevent the Duchess's plan to turn the whole planet back to 1924, resulting in the time store overloading. The club members refuse to leave before the building is frozen in time."
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Date: 2024-10-14 02:24 pm (UTC)It is not specified how this happened or where it may previously have been located before its disappearance. Some evidence suggests it is linked to an energy node on a ley line in north-west Tasmania. Captain Jack stated they would find it some day. In the novel The Twilight Streets, Jack says that in 1941, Torchwood Four was still missing. In the novel Risk Assessment, Torchwood's immortal assessor Agnes Haversham refers to Torchwood Four's disappearance as having been something of a messy business.
So maybe Ireland had one and their team went to Tasmania and disappeared or maybe it was in Tasmania? I think they left the Mystery of 4 as a future story hook they never used.
Of course it would make sense to have a Torchwood in Oz, Tasmania or New Zealand as well as maybe Canada and Ireland at one time...
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Date: 2024-10-14 02:55 pm (UTC)You need to go to the expanded Who-verse in novels and audio adventurers to find anything set in Ireland though.
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Date: 2024-10-14 06:09 pm (UTC)I don't really regard the extended 'verse as canon to the same extent as the series, and have seen very little of it.
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Date: 2024-10-15 07:24 am (UTC)Re: Ireland
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Date: 2024-10-16 10:34 am (UTC)plunderdraw inspiration from, for an Irish Torchwood to get their teeth into. The Hellfire Club predates the founding of Torchwood, but hey, time travel.There's Yeats up in Sligo, and all his Golden Dawn stuff.
And of course the Daoine Sídhe, who are definitely faeries and elves and absolutely not aliens. ;-)
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